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I listened to the entire debate, as I’m a wrench on Joel’s channel. Greg did speak well, but listening to him shill for NATO was too much...Mark concluded his argument with a quote from Kissinger that to be ‘an enemy of America is dangerous but to be a friend is fatal’...how many of us old enough to observe events in the Middle East, the Balkans and elsewhere in past decades, could not concur on some level with that?

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Agreed, Europe and the rest of the Anglosphere will not be free of destructive influence until they're free of the influence of the American state. This can probably be said for the American people themselves too.

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Most definitely.

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